tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post6873517996495582928..comments2024-03-03T04:00:18.516-08:00Comments on THE INFERNO OF BLADES: The Bag Man... Bagging for advantage?Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-290950254839980442011-10-07T15:24:01.704-07:002011-10-07T15:24:01.704-07:00My apologies for the missing letters in my previou...My apologies for the missing letters in my previous post. I blame the ipad keyboard.Warrior_Warlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00908188005297114855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-63772320818956661842011-10-07T15:11:42.822-07:002011-10-07T15:11:42.822-07:00Doe the following count as being a agman? Although...Doe the following count as being a agman? Although i would unload all my miniatures before the game, as they died i put them back into the foam. This to avoid clutter on the table and having to clean it all up at the end of the game. It wasnt until my most recent tourney i was introduced to using a tray for transporting my army around. Although i still didmt like the space 2trays use up on the table it was infinitely easier then having to unload my entir army before each game.Warrior_Warlockhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00908188005297114855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-12575726655046301152011-10-06T06:45:14.770-07:002011-10-06T06:45:14.770-07:00@Anon: Don't worry too much, In pick up games...@Anon: Don't worry too much, In pick up games people don't mind that much at your local store, but in a tournament it can be pretty irritating. Good luck getting started.<br /><br />DukeDukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975831209122743251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-12243331417871484492011-10-06T06:43:24.989-07:002011-10-06T06:43:24.989-07:00As a new player to the hobby, I would consider mys...As a new player to the hobby, I would consider myself a bag-man. :(<br /><br />Not for any nefarious reasons, but a mix of "I dont want anyone to steal my stuff" and "I have a terrible memory and I know I'll forget something". <br /><br />Thanks to your article I can see how annoying it must me though, so I'll grab a lid or something to use as a set-up piece. :)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-37360306066029693692011-10-05T14:37:13.463-07:002011-10-05T14:37:13.463-07:00Great article, enjoyed reading it!
The list thing...Great article, enjoyed reading it!<br /><br />The list thing is one of my all time pet-peeves. You have enough money to buy your army and all the associated rules, dice, etc....but you apparently can't afford enough ink or paper to make copies for your opponents? I can never think of a single, valid excuse for this. I think it's cheating, pure and simple. I'd like tournaments to enforce it to a greater degree..you don't have a copy for your opponent? You lose 10 BPs per game then, or something equivalent. I bet the perpetrator wouldn't 'forget' to bring enough copies again.<br /><br />As far as 'Bag Man' goes, we've all run into these slow play guys at one tournament or another. If it's simply innocent and the guy is a new player, then you really can't do anything but try to help the guy out. I'm not naturally a patient person, but this is one case where doing anything that doesn't encourage the person is simply bad for the hobby and ultimately wrong.<br /><br />If the guy knows what he's doing and is trying to gain an advantage, then once again it's simply cheating. I have no problem with letting the TO know what's going on (loudly enough so other players hear it) and letting him deal with it. The reason we pay entry fees isn't just to win prizes, it's to have an organized and fair tournament. Make the TO do his job. You're doing a disservice to every future opponent this guy has (and yourself) if you don't call him on it. I'd rather have a lousy sportsmanship score from the guy than spend a bunch of time stewing over my inaction.Quinnhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17486395423633115936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-25152551606954031832011-10-05T08:53:11.110-07:002011-10-05T08:53:11.110-07:00First Nick, I understand how you come up with your...First Nick, I understand how you come up with your first line from what I said in the artical but the truth is that I did help the guy unload bunches of orks. <br /><br />The point is that after 2 games it shouldnt even be needed. <br /><br />If a player like yourself knows that you have a ton of figs, like your 70 foot guys and a hoard of tanks, dont you think you should plan ahead a bit?<br /><br />Isnt being a good opponet = to being ready to play the game on time? Dont you owe it to your opponet to have a sturdy display ready to use so you can get the guys on the table with outwasting time? <br /><br />If your friend plays games at 1 hour per turn, as you said, he will never get a game past 2 turns. Is that fair?<br /><br />Example: <br />You go, 30 min.<br />Opponet, 1 hour.<br />you go, 30 min.<br />opponet, 1 hour.<br /><br />Total = 3 hours. Your 30 min over and people are waiting for your table to get done and now you have no break and have to run to your next table.<br />Thats not fun or fair, no matter how you cut it. <br /><br />Remember we are talking about tourny's not home games for fun. In one example I used there is a 2500 point army up for grabs. getting past turn 2 should be automatic.<br /><br />PS, if you read again you will notice I didnt lose my game used in the article. So thats not "all that matters" I just like games that go past turn 2. win or lose.Swagshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05544144811601534136noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-20642812998054480412011-10-05T07:11:44.399-07:002011-10-05T07:11:44.399-07:00I have a friend who had a "bag-man," mov...I have a friend who had a "bag-man," move pulled on him. The guy kept pulling out models that weren't in his list. After questioning him the guy replied "Oh, my dad made the list for me."<br /><br />Umm ok! <br /><br />It was pretty sad because even though he was obviously cheating my friend still beat him.<br /><br />DukeDukehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08975831209122743251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-1555667618630808922011-10-05T01:03:43.559-07:002011-10-05T01:03:43.559-07:00Here's an idea: instead of standing there mute...Here's an idea: instead of standing there mute and grumpy, have you thought about helping the guy field the 3 quads of thirty boyz? Set out the Imperial Guard platoon? Yes, a degree of organisation is good - always hand your opponent your list, say which squads are which, who has what. As for putting stuff in a box lid - my 200 point guard army has 70 men, six tanks and two valkyries. Aside from the cost of the models I'm not wobbling them around in carboard trays.<br /><br />Is this a purely american thing? Are you losing games and this is all that matters? Help the horde army man out. Heck, I play against a tyranid player. his turns can last an hour at a time as he chews over tactics. In that time I nip to the loo, check rules for him, roll dice for random events if it would help and yeah, when his units get blown up he puts them in his bag because there's not a lot of space to put a hundred of so delicate, expensive plastic models.Nicknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-64794352734431870902011-10-04T21:02:09.252-07:002011-10-04T21:02:09.252-07:00This is why tournaments should A) give more time f...This is why tournaments should A) give more time for games and B) each player should be allotted a certain amount of time. Would it penalize horde armies? Absolutely. But the system right now penalizes the players facing AGAINST horde armies, so I think that is important.whitestar333https://www.blogger.com/profile/03994111356537046417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3196653280947071510.post-80857224891148635092011-10-04T19:05:08.159-07:002011-10-04T19:05:08.159-07:00Lmao that's a good ending to this article. I w...Lmao that's a good ending to this article. I was deffinately the bag man at my first tourney. I just didn't realize it was that bad. Luckily I got better before my second one. Good article.rooster4796https://www.blogger.com/profile/02924783371895532806noreply@blogger.com